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	<title>Comments on: Eclipse Three, Ted Chiang and the future&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: John Chu</title>
		<link>http://www.jonathanstrahan.com.au/wp/2009/08/19/eclipse-three-ted-chiang-and-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-373408</link>
		<dc:creator>John Chu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 01:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Calibandar. I&#039;m afraid you&#039;re mistaken about Ashley&#039;s volume being reprint only. The SF Signal blog entry that prints the TOC marks five stories with the footnote &quot;New story written for this anthology.&quot; 

Also, as you have pointed out, the Ashley anthology did not have any women at all. That&#039;s hardly the same thing as an anthology with 11 men and 4 women. The latter wouldn&#039;t have gotten nearly as much attention. The Solaris Book of New Science Fiction, Volume 3 is a recent anthology with only one female author. I don&#039;t recall that editor taking a beating.

The crux of your argument begs the question of male and female authors are already being treated in a gender-neutral manner. Since that&#039;s the point of contention, assuming the answer is decidedly poor form. Add your factual inaccuracies to this mix and I&#039;m afraid that you should take your own advice and reflect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Calibandar. I&#8217;m afraid you&#8217;re mistaken about Ashley&#8217;s volume being reprint only. The SF Signal blog entry that prints the TOC marks five stories with the footnote &#8220;New story written for this anthology.&#8221; </p>
<p>Also, as you have pointed out, the Ashley anthology did not have any women at all. That&#8217;s hardly the same thing as an anthology with 11 men and 4 women. The latter wouldn&#8217;t have gotten nearly as much attention. The Solaris Book of New Science Fiction, Volume 3 is a recent anthology with only one female author. I don&#8217;t recall that editor taking a beating.</p>
<p>The crux of your argument begs the question of male and female authors are already being treated in a gender-neutral manner. Since that&#8217;s the point of contention, assuming the answer is decidedly poor form. Add your factual inaccuracies to this mix and I&#8217;m afraid that you should take your own advice and reflect.</p>
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		<title>By: The Hundred Thousand Linkdoms &#171; Torque Control</title>
		<link>http://www.jonathanstrahan.com.au/wp/2009/08/19/eclipse-three-ted-chiang-and-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-372784</link>
		<dc:creator>The Hundred Thousand Linkdoms &#171; Torque Control</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 11:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of contents: Eclipse 3, ed. Jonathan Strahan; Speculative Japan vol 2; The Secret History of Science Fiction, ed. James Patrick Kelly and John [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Calibandar</title>
		<link>http://www.jonathanstrahan.com.au/wp/2009/08/19/eclipse-three-ted-chiang-and-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-372776</link>
		<dc:creator>Calibandar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 11:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean,

I know. Ashley didn&#039;t have any women in his retrospective, reprint SF only anthology. And a lot of people with feminist sensibilities were extremely upset about that, as we have seen in on the blogs. Not just a little, but very upset. That was just terribly unfair to all the excellent female writers out there, who should be positively discriminated, such was the sentiment.

But now we get a TOC from Strahan, who has been criticized in the past for not having the right mix as well. Earlier Strahan was told he didn&#039;t have enough women in his anthology. Now he has 11 women and 4 men, and now it&#039;s fine. When it&#039;s 11 men and 4 women the editor takes a beating, because that just isn&#039;t fair is it? But the reverse? That&#039;s fine, man we&#039;d love to see that all the time.

Uhm... no. That&#039;s a skewed worldview, and it irritates me a lot. I&#039;m sure this book will have interesting stories by both men and women. I&#039;m also sure I will buy it, in October even. I am however noting a very strange political correctness to the responses. More men than women in the TOC is to be criticized. The reverse is to be applauded. 

No. People need to do some reflecting on the extreme agenda&#039;s they have and how biased they are, and how ironic that bias is considering they accuse the male anthologist of bias himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean,</p>
<p>I know. Ashley didn&#8217;t have any women in his retrospective, reprint SF only anthology. And a lot of people with feminist sensibilities were extremely upset about that, as we have seen in on the blogs. Not just a little, but very upset. That was just terribly unfair to all the excellent female writers out there, who should be positively discriminated, such was the sentiment.</p>
<p>But now we get a TOC from Strahan, who has been criticized in the past for not having the right mix as well. Earlier Strahan was told he didn&#8217;t have enough women in his anthology. Now he has 11 women and 4 men, and now it&#8217;s fine. When it&#8217;s 11 men and 4 women the editor takes a beating, because that just isn&#8217;t fair is it? But the reverse? That&#8217;s fine, man we&#8217;d love to see that all the time.</p>
<p>Uhm&#8230; no. That&#8217;s a skewed worldview, and it irritates me a lot. I&#8217;m sure this book will have interesting stories by both men and women. I&#8217;m also sure I will buy it, in October even. I am however noting a very strange political correctness to the responses. More men than women in the TOC is to be criticized. The reverse is to be applauded. </p>
<p>No. People need to do some reflecting on the extreme agenda&#8217;s they have and how biased they are, and how ironic that bias is considering they accuse the male anthologist of bias himself.</p>
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		<title>By: Stella</title>
		<link>http://www.jonathanstrahan.com.au/wp/2009/08/19/eclipse-three-ted-chiang-and-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-372685</link>
		<dc:creator>Stella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 02:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*cough* TOC dangit...</description>
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		<title>By: Stella</title>
		<link>http://www.jonathanstrahan.com.au/wp/2009/08/19/eclipse-three-ted-chiang-and-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-372684</link>
		<dc:creator>Stella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 02:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>having gone through a period of disgust with SF-F I am glad to say that my interest is piqued by this one-- the TOS is so exciting!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>having gone through a period of disgust with SF-F I am glad to say that my interest is piqued by this one&#8211; the TOS is so exciting!</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Wallace</title>
		<link>http://www.jonathanstrahan.com.au/wp/2009/08/19/eclipse-three-ted-chiang-and-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-372669</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 00:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Calibandar, Ashley&#039;s volume had zero women, and all men, which is nothing like Eclipse 3. With this, the balance is very much better, and I can&#039;t imagine that there would be any criticism. You don&#039;t always need balance, per se, as much as a good representation. Either way it&#039;s really nice to see a varied line-up and a sharp retro cover!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Calibandar, Ashley&#8217;s volume had zero women, and all men, which is nothing like Eclipse 3. With this, the balance is very much better, and I can&#8217;t imagine that there would be any criticism. You don&#8217;t always need balance, per se, as much as a good representation. Either way it&#8217;s really nice to see a varied line-up and a sharp retro cover!</p>
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		<title>By: Caitlín R. KIernan</title>
		<link>http://www.jonathanstrahan.com.au/wp/2009/08/19/eclipse-three-ted-chiang-and-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-372613</link>
		<dc:creator>Caitlín R. KIernan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I *really* love the retro looks of the Eclipse 3 cover!</description>
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		<title>By: Susan Loyal</title>
		<link>http://www.jonathanstrahan.com.au/wp/2009/08/19/eclipse-three-ted-chiang-and-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-372485</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan Loyal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 16:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An unusually high hit of my &quot;fav&quot; authors even for you.  :)  I&#039;m glad to see the cover getting away from the very Apollonian blue-and-white, as well.  The prospect is energizing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An unusually high hit of my &#8220;fav&#8221; authors even for you.  :)  I&#8217;m glad to see the cover getting away from the very Apollonian blue-and-white, as well.  The prospect is energizing!</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://www.jonathanstrahan.com.au/wp/2009/08/19/eclipse-three-ted-chiang-and-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-372419</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 11:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m very happy with ALL of the stories in the book.  The writers really outdid themselves and I&#039;ll be very curious to see what people think of the book when they finally get the chance to read it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m very happy with ALL of the stories in the book.  The writers really outdid themselves and I&#8217;ll be very curious to see what people think of the book when they finally get the chance to read it.</p>
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		<title>By: Calibandar</title>
		<link>http://www.jonathanstrahan.com.au/wp/2009/08/19/eclipse-three-ted-chiang-and-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-372398</link>
		<dc:creator>Calibandar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This TOC looks like the opposite of Mike Ashley&#039;s Mindblowing SF anthology which came out recently. Ashley took loads of flack for it being male dominated. This one has 11 women and only 4 men and people all praise you for it. Very very strange.

I&#039;m glad to see Ford &amp; Beagle in there at least, they usually have a good story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This TOC looks like the opposite of Mike Ashley&#8217;s Mindblowing SF anthology which came out recently. Ashley took loads of flack for it being male dominated. This one has 11 women and only 4 men and people all praise you for it. Very very strange.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad to see Ford &amp; Beagle in there at least, they usually have a good story.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 23:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad you like the ToC.   I&#039;m happy with the book.</description>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://www.jonathanstrahan.com.au/wp/2009/08/19/eclipse-three-ted-chiang-and-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-372312</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 23:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks!</description>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://www.jonathanstrahan.com.au/wp/2009/08/19/eclipse-three-ted-chiang-and-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-372311</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 23:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope you like it.  And y es!</description>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://www.jonathanstrahan.com.au/wp/2009/08/19/eclipse-three-ted-chiang-and-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-372310</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 23:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those stories are all terrific.  Like you, I am waiting too for the Book Club volume.</description>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 23:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s exactly what it is.  No one knows what it was done for, but all of our research says it&#039;s an unused piece done in the early 70s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s exactly what it is.  No one knows what it was done for, but all of our research says it&#8217;s an unused piece done in the early 70s.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://www.jonathanstrahan.com.au/wp/2009/08/19/eclipse-three-ted-chiang-and-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-372308</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 23:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the cover. It&#039;s striking and bright and is all thanks to Night Shade&#039;s Jeremy Lassen.  This one sits between #1 and #2.  It&#039;s about 45% SF and 55% fantasy.  There&#039;s no space opera or real hard SF, but there is excellent and rather chilling near future SF.  The fantasy ranges from a gentle ghost story of sorts to a mermaid story to other stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the cover. It&#8217;s striking and bright and is all thanks to Night Shade&#8217;s Jeremy Lassen.  This one sits between #1 and #2.  It&#8217;s about 45% SF and 55% fantasy.  There&#8217;s no space opera or real hard SF, but there is excellent and rather chilling near future SF.  The fantasy ranges from a gentle ghost story of sorts to a mermaid story to other stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://www.jonathanstrahan.com.au/wp/2009/08/19/eclipse-three-ted-chiang-and-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-372307</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 23:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are some things that should remain unwritten, and the story of Montreal is such a thing.  I&#039;m delighted, btw, to have your story in the book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are some things that should remain unwritten, and the story of Montreal is such a thing.  I&#8217;m delighted, btw, to have your story in the book.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://www.jonathanstrahan.com.au/wp/2009/08/19/eclipse-three-ted-chiang-and-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-372290</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is a great line-up - some favorites and some newer names hat I haven&#039;t read much from.  I&#039;m really looking forward to it.  And the cover is copacetic.  Reminds me of when I started reading SF with all those Powers covers on the paperbacks I bought!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is a great line-up &#8211; some favorites and some newer names hat I haven&#8217;t read much from.  I&#8217;m really looking forward to it.  And the cover is copacetic.  Reminds me of when I started reading SF with all those Powers covers on the paperbacks I bought!</p>
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		<title>By: Ellen Kushner</title>
		<link>http://www.jonathanstrahan.com.au/wp/2009/08/19/eclipse-three-ted-chiang-and-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-372274</link>
		<dc:creator>Ellen Kushner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is going to be one hell of anthology!  I am so proud to be in it.

It was swell getting to spend time with you at Worldcon.  So glad you&#039;re too tired to write a full report. They must never know about the maple syrup &amp; the panthers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is going to be one hell of anthology!  I am so proud to be in it.</p>
<p>It was swell getting to spend time with you at Worldcon.  So glad you&#8217;re too tired to write a full report. They must never know about the maple syrup &amp; the panthers.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Nel</title>
		<link>http://www.jonathanstrahan.com.au/wp/2009/08/19/eclipse-three-ted-chiang-and-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-372247</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Nel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 19:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bravo!

Lovely colour, again - nice to see some warm earth colouring for contrast.

Any thoughts on the balance of this book in the SF/fantasy continuum? Or are these label-free, unclassifiable stories?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bravo!</p>
<p>Lovely colour, again &#8211; nice to see some warm earth colouring for contrast.</p>
<p>Any thoughts on the balance of this book in the SF/fantasy continuum? Or are these label-free, unclassifiable stories?</p>
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		<title>By: Jyame Lynn Blaschke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jyame Lynn Blaschke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! When I saw that cover, I immediately thought &quot;Cool retro look they&#039;re going for. Very Powers-ish.&quot; So what&#039;s the story? Is this some unused piece recently discovered, or what?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! When I saw that cover, I immediately thought &#8220;Cool retro look they&#8217;re going for. Very Powers-ish.&#8221; So what&#8217;s the story? Is this some unused piece recently discovered, or what?</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Milewski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward Milewski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It looks interesting.The Abraham, Beagle and Fowler stories particularly intrigue.
Patiently waiting for your Science Fiction Book Club volume to come out. No sigh of it yet. At least not in Canada. We do tend to trail the Americans somewhat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks interesting.The Abraham, Beagle and Fowler stories particularly intrigue.<br />
Patiently waiting for your Science Fiction Book Club volume to come out. No sigh of it yet. At least not in Canada. We do tend to trail the Americans somewhat.</p>
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		<title>By: Niall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Niall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That looks like it should be comfortably up to the standard of the first two. Roll on October.</description>
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		<title>By: Adrienne Martini</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrienne Martini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 13:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The TOC looks fabulous! Congrats.</description>
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		<title>By: Shweta Narayan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shweta Narayan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The TOC for Eclipse 3 looks great!  Very glad to see that.

Thank you for listening, last year, even if it was not a comfortable thing to have done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The TOC for Eclipse 3 looks great!  Very glad to see that.</p>
<p>Thank you for listening, last year, even if it was not a comfortable thing to have done.</p>
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