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	<title>Comments on: Eclipse Three, Ted Chiang and the future&#8230;</title>
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	<description>...making my own great leap forward...</description>
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		<title>By: John Chu</title>
		<link>http://www.jonathanstrahan.com.au/wp/2009/08/19/eclipse-three-ted-chiang-and-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-373408</link>
		<dc:creator>John Chu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 01:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Calibandar. I&#039;m afraid you&#039;re mistaken about Ashley&#039;s volume being reprint only. The SF Signal blog entry that prints the TOC marks five stories with the footnote &quot;New story written for this anthology.&quot; 

Also, as you have pointed out, the Ashley anthology did not have any women at all. That&#039;s hardly the same thing as an anthology with 11 men and 4 women. The latter wouldn&#039;t have gotten nearly as much attention. The Solaris Book of New Science Fiction, Volume 3 is a recent anthology with only one female author. I don&#039;t recall that editor taking a beating.

The crux of your argument begs the question of male and female authors are already being treated in a gender-neutral manner. Since that&#039;s the point of contention, assuming the answer is decidedly poor form. Add your factual inaccuracies to this mix and I&#039;m afraid that you should take your own advice and reflect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Calibandar. I&#8217;m afraid you&#8217;re mistaken about Ashley&#8217;s volume being reprint only. The SF Signal blog entry that prints the TOC marks five stories with the footnote &#8220;New story written for this anthology.&#8221; </p>
<p>Also, as you have pointed out, the Ashley anthology did not have any women at all. That&#8217;s hardly the same thing as an anthology with 11 men and 4 women. The latter wouldn&#8217;t have gotten nearly as much attention. The Solaris Book of New Science Fiction, Volume 3 is a recent anthology with only one female author. I don&#8217;t recall that editor taking a beating.</p>
<p>The crux of your argument begs the question of male and female authors are already being treated in a gender-neutral manner. Since that&#8217;s the point of contention, assuming the answer is decidedly poor form. Add your factual inaccuracies to this mix and I&#8217;m afraid that you should take your own advice and reflect.</p>
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		<title>By: The Hundred Thousand Linkdoms &#171; Torque Control</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Hundred Thousand Linkdoms &#171; Torque Control</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 11:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of contents: Eclipse 3, ed. Jonathan Strahan; Speculative Japan vol 2; The Secret History of Science Fiction, ed. James Patrick Kelly and John [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of contents: Eclipse 3, ed. Jonathan Strahan; Speculative Japan vol 2; The Secret History of Science Fiction, ed. James Patrick Kelly and John [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Calibandar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Calibandar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 11:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean,

I know. Ashley didn&#039;t have any women in his retrospective, reprint SF only anthology. And a lot of people with feminist sensibilities were extremely upset about that, as we have seen in on the blogs. Not just a little, but very upset. That was just terribly unfair to all the excellent female writers out there, who should be positively discriminated, such was the sentiment.

But now we get a TOC from Strahan, who has been criticized in the past for not having the right mix as well. Earlier Strahan was told he didn&#039;t have enough women in his anthology. Now he has 11 women and 4 men, and now it&#039;s fine. When it&#039;s 11 men and 4 women the editor takes a beating, because that just isn&#039;t fair is it? But the reverse? That&#039;s fine, man we&#039;d love to see that all the time.

Uhm... no. That&#039;s a skewed worldview, and it irritates me a lot. I&#039;m sure this book will have interesting stories by both men and women. I&#039;m also sure I will buy it, in October even. I am however noting a very strange political correctness to the responses. More men than women in the TOC is to be criticized. The reverse is to be applauded. 

No. People need to do some reflecting on the extreme agenda&#039;s they have and how biased they are, and how ironic that bias is considering they accuse the male anthologist of bias himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean,</p>
<p>I know. Ashley didn&#8217;t have any women in his retrospective, reprint SF only anthology. And a lot of people with feminist sensibilities were extremely upset about that, as we have seen in on the blogs. Not just a little, but very upset. That was just terribly unfair to all the excellent female writers out there, who should be positively discriminated, such was the sentiment.</p>
<p>But now we get a TOC from Strahan, who has been criticized in the past for not having the right mix as well. Earlier Strahan was told he didn&#8217;t have enough women in his anthology. Now he has 11 women and 4 men, and now it&#8217;s fine. When it&#8217;s 11 men and 4 women the editor takes a beating, because that just isn&#8217;t fair is it? But the reverse? That&#8217;s fine, man we&#8217;d love to see that all the time.</p>
<p>Uhm&#8230; no. That&#8217;s a skewed worldview, and it irritates me a lot. I&#8217;m sure this book will have interesting stories by both men and women. I&#8217;m also sure I will buy it, in October even. I am however noting a very strange political correctness to the responses. More men than women in the TOC is to be criticized. The reverse is to be applauded. </p>
<p>No. People need to do some reflecting on the extreme agenda&#8217;s they have and how biased they are, and how ironic that bias is considering they accuse the male anthologist of bias himself.</p>
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		<title>By: Stella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 02:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*cough* TOC dangit...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*cough* TOC dangit&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Stella</title>
		<link>http://www.jonathanstrahan.com.au/wp/2009/08/19/eclipse-three-ted-chiang-and-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-372684</link>
		<dc:creator>Stella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 02:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>having gone through a period of disgust with SF-F I am glad to say that my interest is piqued by this one-- the TOS is so exciting!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>having gone through a period of disgust with SF-F I am glad to say that my interest is piqued by this one&#8211; the TOS is so exciting!</p>
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