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		<title>By: Peter Nel</title>
		<link>http://www.jonathanstrahan.com.au/wp/2010/02/24/what-i-mean-when-i-say-safe-space/comment-page-1/#comment-407647</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Nel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely true, PH - rape is endemic in South Africa. That&#039;s why the law has been changed drastically to ease the plight of rape victims who do reach court. For one example, you are no longer allowed to make an issue of the fact that a victim delayed reporting the matter. My point is simply that the tide is turning against rape offenders, and that the attitudes of the past are no longer acceptable.

Nobody can judge a rape victim for not reporting the matter. I understand that, and the reasons why a woman may not report rape have been eloquently stated elsewhere.

I simply find it tragic and infuriating that we should be reduced to speaking of giving the guy a shit time at Swancon, when the consequences of his conduct should be orders of magnitude worse than that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely true, PH &#8211; rape is endemic in South Africa. That&#8217;s why the law has been changed drastically to ease the plight of rape victims who do reach court. For one example, you are no longer allowed to make an issue of the fact that a victim delayed reporting the matter. My point is simply that the tide is turning against rape offenders, and that the attitudes of the past are no longer acceptable.</p>
<p>Nobody can judge a rape victim for not reporting the matter. I understand that, and the reasons why a woman may not report rape have been eloquently stated elsewhere.</p>
<p>I simply find it tragic and infuriating that we should be reduced to speaking of giving the guy a shit time at Swancon, when the consequences of his conduct should be orders of magnitude worse than that.</p>
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		<title>By: Persephone Hazard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Persephone Hazard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 13:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It is the duty of the court dealing with such a matter to ensure that the victim is treated with dignity and protected from inappropriate questioning.&quot;

You are absolutely right there, Peter. I agree with you 100%. But does it happen? Does it bollocks. It&#039;s not the case here, it&#039;s not the case in America, and I&#039;m willing to bet that no matter what you think it&#039;s not really the case in South Africa, either. 

Especially considering that rape is a huge, /enormous/ problem in South Africa. There are, I believe, *three times* as many reported rapes in SA as there are here in the UK. Given statistics of that proportion, if courts ever have /time/ to trial anything other than rape cases, not all rape cases are going to trial.

Yes, rapists should be brought to justice. But you know what&#039;s even more important than that? Looking after woman who have been raped and making sure they are as little traumatised as possible, that&#039;s what.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It is the duty of the court dealing with such a matter to ensure that the victim is treated with dignity and protected from inappropriate questioning.&#8221;</p>
<p>You are absolutely right there, Peter. I agree with you 100%. But does it happen? Does it bollocks. It&#8217;s not the case here, it&#8217;s not the case in America, and I&#8217;m willing to bet that no matter what you think it&#8217;s not really the case in South Africa, either. </p>
<p>Especially considering that rape is a huge, /enormous/ problem in South Africa. There are, I believe, *three times* as many reported rapes in SA as there are here in the UK. Given statistics of that proportion, if courts ever have /time/ to trial anything other than rape cases, not all rape cases are going to trial.</p>
<p>Yes, rapists should be brought to justice. But you know what&#8217;s even more important than that? Looking after woman who have been raped and making sure they are as little traumatised as possible, that&#8217;s what.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Nel</title>
		<link>http://www.jonathanstrahan.com.au/wp/2010/02/24/what-i-mean-when-i-say-safe-space/comment-page-1/#comment-406885</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Nel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 20:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, Rose, I don&#039;t underestimate the trauma associated with being a rape victim, and with the subsequent legal processes. I speak as the presiding officer of a court in which a number of rape offenders have been imprisoned.

In my country (South Africa), recent legislation has been passed (Act 32 of 2007)as a comprehensive attempt to address the cancer of rape in our society.

Section 2 reads, inter alia, that &quot;The objects of this Act are to afford complainants of sexual offences the maximum
and least traumatising protection that the law can provide ...&quot; and there follow, of course, a great many specific provisions.

It is the duty of the court dealing with such a matter to ensure that the victim is treated with dignity and protected from inappropriate questioning.

Without concrete knowledge of your system, it seems highly probable to me that assistance is available to victims in your country as well. But in all events a court should deal with a rapist. For a rapist to go unpunished because of a fear that the process will work against the victim, is unacceptable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Rose, I don&#8217;t underestimate the trauma associated with being a rape victim, and with the subsequent legal processes. I speak as the presiding officer of a court in which a number of rape offenders have been imprisoned.</p>
<p>In my country (South Africa), recent legislation has been passed (Act 32 of 2007)as a comprehensive attempt to address the cancer of rape in our society.</p>
<p>Section 2 reads, inter alia, that &#8220;The objects of this Act are to afford complainants of sexual offences the maximum<br />
and least traumatising protection that the law can provide &#8230;&#8221; and there follow, of course, a great many specific provisions.</p>
<p>It is the duty of the court dealing with such a matter to ensure that the victim is treated with dignity and protected from inappropriate questioning.</p>
<p>Without concrete knowledge of your system, it seems highly probable to me that assistance is available to victims in your country as well. But in all events a court should deal with a rapist. For a rapist to go unpunished because of a fear that the process will work against the victim, is unacceptable.</p>
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		<title>By: Rose Fox</title>
		<link>http://www.jonathanstrahan.com.au/wp/2010/02/24/what-i-mean-when-i-say-safe-space/comment-page-1/#comment-406104</link>
		<dc:creator>Rose Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 02:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here via a friend and very glad to see this. Thank you so much for doing the right thing.

To answer the commenters questioning why the rapist isn&#039;t in jail: I think you underestimate just how devastating a rape trial can be for the victim. She is the only person who can press charges, and probably the only material witness. A trial would involve her recounting the circumstances and details of the rape, and being intensively and intrusively questioned as to her character and reliability. A rapist&#039;s best legal defense is to undermine the victim&#039;s credibility or claim that they invited sexual attention and then later decided to pretend it wasn&#039;t welcome, and given logansrogue&#039;s prior acquaintance with the rapist, she would undoubtedly be painted as &quot;leading him on&quot;, which is to say that people who are supposed to be on the side of right and law would be telling her that she is to blame for getting herself assaulted. If she doesn&#039;t want to put herself through that, I don&#039;t blame her one bit.

I have nothing but admiration for her post, and for the people in the community who are standing up and saying that rapists and abusers are not welcome in our spaces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here via a friend and very glad to see this. Thank you so much for doing the right thing.</p>
<p>To answer the commenters questioning why the rapist isn&#8217;t in jail: I think you underestimate just how devastating a rape trial can be for the victim. She is the only person who can press charges, and probably the only material witness. A trial would involve her recounting the circumstances and details of the rape, and being intensively and intrusively questioned as to her character and reliability. A rapist&#8217;s best legal defense is to undermine the victim&#8217;s credibility or claim that they invited sexual attention and then later decided to pretend it wasn&#8217;t welcome, and given logansrogue&#8217;s prior acquaintance with the rapist, she would undoubtedly be painted as &#8220;leading him on&#8221;, which is to say that people who are supposed to be on the side of right and law would be telling her that she is to blame for getting herself assaulted. If she doesn&#8217;t want to put herself through that, I don&#8217;t blame her one bit.</p>
<p>I have nothing but admiration for her post, and for the people in the community who are standing up and saying that rapists and abusers are not welcome in our spaces.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 21:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have that information, but I understand your response completely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have that information, but I understand your response completely.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 21:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have those details, but I have wondered that myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have those details, but I have wondered that myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Nel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Nel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 20:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This makes me angry.

Why are we talking about the culprit, and the problem of his possibly attending Swancon?

Surely he is unable to attend, because he is in prison?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This makes me angry.</p>
<p>Why are we talking about the culprit, and the problem of his possibly attending Swancon?</p>
<p>Surely he is unable to attend, because he is in prison?</p>
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		<title>By: SMD</title>
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		<dc:creator>SMD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 14:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this person being brought up on charges?  If not, why?  I would think the Swancon folks would want to help the victim in any way to put this horrible human being behind bars.  And if he&#039;s admitted to doing it, there&#039;s really no reason why he shouldn&#039;t be charged and found guilty...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this person being brought up on charges?  If not, why?  I would think the Swancon folks would want to help the victim in any way to put this horrible human being behind bars.  And if he&#8217;s admitted to doing it, there&#8217;s really no reason why he shouldn&#8217;t be charged and found guilty&#8230;</p>
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